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Katie: Howdy, and welcome to the wellness mama podcast. I’m Katie from wellnessmama.com and wellnesse.com. That’s wellness with an E on the top. And I’m right here at this time with Leah Segedie, who helps ladies and mothers make safer client selections for his or her households. And he or she is the writer at mamavation.com. And on this episode, we discuss particularly about one thing referred to as PFAS, that are chemical substances which are present in all types of family merchandise. We go deep on this at this time, however we speak about what they’re, why they’re thought-about without end chemical substances, how there are over 10,000 within the atmosphere, and the way they have an effect on the physique in quite a lot of other ways. We speak about how testing could be very nuanced, and the way even pure and natural merchandise can have traces of those chemical substances, the way to keep away from them with out going loopy and a lot extra, very, very fact-packed episode. I do know I discovered rather a lot. I hope you’ll too. So let’s be a part of Leah. Leah, welcome again. How are you?
Leah: Hey, thanks for having me on Katie, so good to see you once more too. I by no means get to see you.
Katie: Likewise, I like that we do video now. For anyone listening who didn’t know, there’s video on YouTube that you simply guys can really watch our faces whereas we discuss. I feel most individuals nonetheless hear on podcast apps, but it surely’s enjoyable to get to see your face. Really feel prefer it makes it extra private. And such as you stated, it’s been some time since we received to catch up. And we’re going to get to catch up in-depth on a really explicit situation. However earlier than we do, I’ve a word in my present notes that you’ve got hip dysplasia and are mainly a human pretzel. So I’d simply love to listen to slightly bit about this story first.
Leah: Okay, so there’s a genetic hip situation in my household. I’ve it, my mom has it. We don’t know additional than that as a result of my mom is adopted, but it surely’s hip dysplasia. Now, most individuals have heard of hip dysplasia as a result of they’ve a canine. And that canine has hip dysplasia, and it’s slightly wiener canine or one thing. And so the those who have heard about it are like, “Sure, my canine has that.” And no, I’m not a canine. However sure, that illness does occur in people. However there’s two forms of those who it’s actually widespread in, Native American Cherokee Indian, and the Sami, who’re in Norway, Finland, and Sweden, they usually’re the reindeer folks. And I completely come from a Nordic, so it’s completely coming from the Sami. And so they have a lot of it, it’s been written up in Nationwide Geographic and stuff, so you may Google it. However mainly, what it means is my hips come out of the socket, there’s about this a lot room in my socket that’s simply open. So I can simply pop it out of socket every time I need.
Now, after I’m operating, that’s dangerous, as a result of it doesn’t really feel good. However the cool factor is, it makes me very limber. In case you can think about me being pregnant, like 9 months pregnant, and having the ability to put my foot again right here after I’m stretching. Like private trainers freak out after they see this proper? And it’s completely cool for me. So I’m very versatile and I could make myself a pretzel by placing each of my ft right here. But when I do it, if I get the second up, I simply go ahead, so the one place I need to do it’s within the mattress. As a result of you already know, I don’t have the…I simply appear to be a humorous toy after I try this. However it is rather attention-grabbing and humorous to speak about. However sure, I can put my ft proper again right here and like a human pretzel. Completely.
Katie: That’s humorous. And considered one of my…
Leah: If nobody has identified me then now they’re simply gonna know that I’m Leah Segedie, the human pretzel, which I discover superb.
Katie: Nicely, and considered one of my favourite journey reminiscences of all time was really visiting northern Finland and getting to fulfill the Sami tribe. They’re a number of the most fascinating folks I’ve ever met and completely lovely the best way their way of life is, very totally different than mine in a really heat local weather. And it was so, so cool to see. In order that’s cool and you’ve got a tie to them as nicely.
Leah: Yeah, I’ve a tie them after which…however I’ve extra of my family members that I do know which are in Sweden, however they’re extra within the metropolis now. And Bergen, Norway too, I’ve quite a lot of family members which are in Bergen, which is de facto cool to go to as a result of the fjords are simply superb. You must go there as soon as in your lifetime.
Katie: I’ll put it on the checklist. And I really feel like I might speak about that each one day lengthy. However we even have one other vital matter that I feel will likely be actually related to lots of people listening, even when they don’t notice it’s going to be so related to them. And I do know that you’ve got been doing a brilliant, tremendous, tremendous deep dive into this matter, which is why I used to be so excited to speak to you about them at this time. So I’d say let’s begin actually, actually broad and simply outline the important thing time period that we’re going to speak rather a lot about at this time, which is I hope I pronounced it proper, PFAS?
Leah: It’s referred to as, you may confer with it as PFAS or PFAS. However PFAS might be what you’re going to listen to most individuals say P-F-A-S, so it’s simply an abbreviation they usually’re simply placing it collectively. So basically, after we’re speaking about PFAS, we’re speaking about over ten thousand chemical substances and a chemical class. And so they all have fluorine and carbon in them of their bond. However you’ve heard of those chemical substances as a result of it’s all of the stain-resistant, waterproof, grease-proof chemical substances that we now have been sort of swimming in for many years. Now, these chemical substances was regarded as protected, you already know, inert, like okay, however within the final couple a long time, we discovered that they’re persistent, which implies they don’t go away. Scientists don’t even know what the half-life of those chemical substances are. That’s why they’re known as without end chemical substances. These without end chemical substances can final in your physique for a few years or a long time. They simply actually don’t know the extent of all of it and why as a result of there’s 10,000 of them and the impartial scientists who have been coming within the backend attempting to see in the event that they’re protected, it’s been rather a lot and lot quite a lot of dangerous information. So when you’ve heard about carpet not having PFAS in it anymore, or clothes corporations popping out and, you already know, engaged on PFAS options, or if in case you have thrown out your Teflon cookware, that’s one other instance. These are all examples of PFAS chemical substances that we now have had in our lives for many years. And now we perceive how extremely problematic they’re.
So what I’m doing proper now’s, and thru Mamavation, is de facto attempting to construct up some consciousness round ladies, in order that they know what to search for and know the way to keep away from them. And the toughest a part of this example is it’s not possible to utterly keep away from them. You would need to dwell…you couldn’t even go to, I imply, Iceland, or the place the polar bears are, you’ll nonetheless discover them there. So that you actually can’t keep away from them. That’s as a result of they’re persistent, they usually get in every single place. However what we are able to do is we are able to make educated choices and selections in our residence, and decrease the quantity that we’re uncovered to, and most of all our kids are uncovered to as a result of that’s the place that is actually, actually vital is the subsequent technology.
Katie: Yeah, I do know, we’re very aligned on that, and the significance of, in lots of areas, enhancing issues for our children. What are a number of the problematic areas we see in the case of these and well being? I do know, like, we’re nonetheless doing analysis on this and, such as you stated, quite a lot of this analysis is simply within the final couple of a long time. However what do we all know so far as how this impacts human well being?
Leah: So to start with, it’s an androgen mimicker. So it goes into your physique and your physique really thinks it’s a hormone for males. It thinks it’s testosterone, so it thinks it’s androgen. So for boys, little boys and males, that is worse than for women, it’s actually dangerous for women, but it surely’s worse for males. So simply give it some thought when it comes to that, you don’t want additional testosterone in your physique. However when you’re a person, and also you get additional testosterone in your physique, your physique says, “Okay, carried out, I’ve produced sufficient.” And so for a person, it brings down your testosterone, which is one thing that’s actually dangerous when you’re attempting to have a child, otherwise you’re attempting to breed, you already know. The opposite factor that it does, it’s actually problematic, that’s linked with every thing else is it kills your immune system, basically, it brings down your immunity so that you simply can’t struggle off ailments.
Now, right here’s an instance of one thing of how that is occurring. Now, I don’t understand how many individuals are professional or anti-vaccine or no matter. However what I’ll say, and that is very, very, very sound science, that the extra PFAS you’ve gotten in your system, the much less seemingly vaccinations will work inside your physique as a result of it’s bringing down your immune system, your physique simply can’t do it. In order that’s a number of the stuff that they’re discovering, oh, throughout the final three, 4 years is that they’re infants, and the way infants reply. And I don’t know in the event that they’ve carried out this in adults, however they’ve positively carried out in youngsters. And so they know that the extra you’ve gotten in your physique, and bear in mind, this may occur in utero since you’re pregnant, the much less seemingly you may reply to one thing like a vaccine, or another sort of medicine that’s like that, that’s alleged to convey up your immune system. In order that’s one factor you actually need to watch out about.
They’re additionally linking it to metabolism points and sort 2 diabetes. In order that they’re linking it to sort 2 diabetes, particularly in ladies. So there’s quite a lot of ladies strolling round who’re having points and it could have one thing to do with the quantity of PFAS that they’ve of their system. After which, after all, cancers, there’s quite a lot of cancers that is linked to, like prostate most cancers and people sorts of issues, which is sensible when you notice it really works like an artificial androgen in your physique. In order that’s sort of the totality of it. The issue that we’re actually, actually coping with is, you already know, what’s occurring to us can also be occurring to the earth. It’s persistent on the market, it’s getting within the soil, it’s getting within the groundwater, it’s getting in our client merchandise, it’s getting in all types of issues.
And so to be aware that that is on the market, however not petrified, proper, since you don’t need to stress your self out to the quantity that you simply’re making your self sick, proper? However on the earth of, these are chemical substances that I need to keep away from, this can be a 10, and this is sort of a 3, PFAS is increased up there, it’s extra of an 8, 9, or 10 is what I’d take a look at first earlier than you determine some…I don’t know, when you’re fearful about one thing like sodium benzoate in your shampoo versus PFAS in one thing, don’t even fear in regards to the sodium benzoate. You recognize what I imply? Like, these forms of issues. That’s an even bigger class that you simply simply need to keep away from.
Katie: Yeah. So many vital factors I feel you’ve simply made. And I feel what I’d simply spotlight is whether or not persons are in favor of vaccines or they’re not, I feel that’s its personal separate dialog, however the vital similarity there may be that in each circumstances, whether or not you’re speaking pure immunity or vaccine immunity, you want a functioning immune system to create that impact. And so I really feel like that’s really a commonality. It’s really easy for that to grow to be a polarizing situation. However in each circumstances, it’s like how can we help the immune system in pure methods in both of these circumstances, and that’s one thing we are able to really all agree on. And so this can be a piece of that puzzle. I consider quite a lot of similarities like plastic-type chemical substances, for example, as nicely, these are very problematic, they’ve now saturated the planet, they’re storing in our our bodies, which additionally brings up the query, how if doable in any respect can we get these out of our physique as soon as we’ve been uncovered?
Leah: You’ll be able to’t. Nicely, right here’s the arduous factor, it builds up. So it’s a kind of chemical substances that we don’t have any proof of something having the ability to take it out of our physique. That’s the arduous half. Proper? And that’s absolutely the fact. If folks let you know the alternative, I don’t understand how supported that’s by the info, proper? So that is a kind of distinctive chemical substances that doesn’t function like different chemical substances, you already know, quite a lot of these nasty, persistent chemical substances are trapped in fats. So when you can pull it out by the fats, then you may pull it out of the physique, that is repelled by fats. So it simply actually operates very in another way in your physique, and the reply is they only don’t know.
So what the best-case situation is true now’s to keep away from it as a lot as you may, select merchandise that don’t have it, be very cautious of it if you’re pregnant, after which when your youngsters are about 5, and so up till that, that’s if you’re simply you already know, in search of it, avoiding it. After that, you don’t need it, however after all, you already know, hormone-disrupting chemical substances are worse throughout hormone adjustments in the course of the physique. So the worst time is prenatal. In order that’s when every thing is altering and it right down to the second, the minute, you already know, issues received to only align proper. The second half is if you’re out and it’s 5 years, you already know, your physique has like pure defenses it builds up doesn’t actually have that till you’re over 5.
Now, the third time in your life, for ladies particularly, and for males, is if you undergo the change, proper, you begin to grow to be a lady otherwise you grow to be a person, that’s a time when, as a mom, you need to begin to consider this, though they don’t care, you continue to need to give it some thought, proper? After which in the direction of the top of your life, for ladies it’s if you undergo the change once more and also you cease having the ability to, you already know, have a child. And for males, I don’t know when males undergo, you already know, that change, somebody ought to inform me, however I’ve three boys, it will be good to know, really. However these are an important instances so that you can begin enthusiastic about these items, when these forms of folks…you already know when you’ve gotten youngsters in the home.
Katie: Yeah, and I feel the stability, such as you stated is vital, like keep away from it every time doable, however to not the purpose that it’s inflicting stress, which we additionally know is extraordinarily dangerous to well being. After which from there, I all the time consider, particularly after we’re speaking about chemical substances, we don’t really know the way to get out of the physique. It’s like help the pure detox pathways in any approach doable. After which attempt to hold a balanced stress stage and never be stressing about it past that. So I’m an enormous fan of issues like sauna, simply primary hydration, consuming meals like inexperienced leafy greens that bind to extra phytoestrogens and different chemical substances within the physique.
Leah: And poop, proper? As a result of all of the dangerous stuff comes out if you poop, you need to try this, proper? I’m speaking about poop and this, poop and PFAS is hilarious. However we don’t know if it comes…I imply, we simply…you already know, they haven’t carried out research on that but. However I feel it’s as a result of they’re so overwhelmed proper now attempting to determine the ins and the outs of all these chemical substances. You have been saying one thing about plasticizers. Satirically, it’s additionally a plasticizer. As a result of there’s an entire class referred to as PTFE, which is on these Teflon pans, which is sort of like, which is a polymer. And satirically, you already know, after I do testing, there are not any exams to seek out all of those polymers. So after I’m testing for these chemical substances, and I’m in search of over 10,000 of them, the sort of testing that I’m working is extra of a spot examine. It’s trying to see if these chemical parts are there, it’s not telling you what particular PFAS it’s as a result of it’s not possible. There’s solely about 90 chemical substances you may check for at a very good industrial lab. Most of those labs that you may check for will solely be capable to check for possibly 16 to 30. However it’s in a college lab, they’ll most likely discover about 150, however that’s it for compound testing and discovering out precisely what it’s.
The opposite possibility is what you see quite a lot of NGOs doing and us doing is we search for fluorine in any product, proper? And so then you definitely function one other check that pulls out the fluoride from the fluorine, which is the pure and leaves the artifical, and we search for one thing referred to as natural fluorine, which isn’t a beautiful factor. Once I say natural when it comes to chemistry, it doesn’t imply the natural requirements. No, it sort of means the alternative, it means man-made. So I’m in search of the man-made fluorine. Whenever you discover that, there’s sort of solely two choices. One is PFAS, which it’s very prone to be, the opposite one is fluorinated prescribed drugs as a result of 25% of pharmaceutical merchandise are all fluorinated, so these are the 2 issues that I might be discovering. The testing that I function is a very excessive check. It seems to be at 10 elements per million. Now, though I’m saying elements per million, and that’s actually tiny, it’s really a bigger quantity as a result of after they’re testing in water, they’re wanting all the best way down within the elements per trillion, which is sort of a drop in three Olympic measurement swimming pools, proper? And so mine can be possibly a drop in an everyday pool or one thing like that, proper? So we’re far bigger, and we’re not wanting in water, we’re wanting in client merchandise, like private care, something that may be burned, basically, as a result of that’s how the check is, burns issues, you already know. So if it could actually’t be burned, we are able to’t use that testing technique. Then there’s different issues we are able to take a look at.
However it’s additionally actually troublesome to seek out, and you already know, the devils within the particulars, when you can’t discover it and isolate it, then can they regulate it? I don’t know. In order that’s the place I really feel like I’m sort of standing within the center right here. I’m sending quite a lot of merchandise off to the lab and I’m beginning with merchandise that we might buy that might be pure, you already know, sending these off first as a affirmation as a result of my viewers desires to know in regards to the issues that they’re already buying first, after which they need to find out about every thing else. And you’ll be sort of shocked, within the pure business, how a lot of this chemical we’re going to seek out. There’s quite a lot of causes behind that.
One of many causes is, like for example, when you’re shopping for natural meals, there’s nothing within the natural requirements to forestall them from utilizing FDA-approved components in manufacturing. And so they don’t have any requirements behind that, and I simply confirmed that once more final week as a result of I used to be, you already know, emailing them, I’m like, “Oh, I can’t discover something within the requirements.” And so they’re like, “It’s not there.” And so they’ll say to me one thing like, “Nicely, you need to, you already know, strain the FDA to take these out of…you already know, as authorised oblique components, as a substitute of coming down on us.” And I’m like, “I feel you need to most likely repair this within the requirements, I simply suppose you need to.” However that’s simply my opinion.
So it may be in something, basically. And when you check out the FDA web site, on what’s authorised for a meals contact sort of substance, there’s quite a lot of polymers which are authorised, polymeric PFAS. So which means these are PFAS chemical substances which are made up of all these several types of monomers. So it’s prefer it’s a PFAS product of PFAS, and likewise, but it surely turns into like a plastic, proper? So we’re going to see this, most likely, I’m considering, since there’s so a lot of them which are authorised by the FDA, that’s most likely what we might most likely be seeing in meals, you already know, sort of producing. I’ve by no means been capable of isolate and discover it as a result of these exams are simply not accessible. However I hold seeing it in all types of merchandise. And I’m actually joyful to do that testing as a result of not solely do I need to know, however as soon as I began testing, everyone else needed to know as nicely. So it’s an incredible service that we’re capable of present for folks at Mamavation. I’m actually joyful to have the ability to do that.
Katie: I’m going to go line by line with some widespread merchandise and like, undergo what you discovered on the testing. However earlier than we get into the extra detailed half, I’d love to listen to what are a number of the widespread sources within the residence atmosphere that some folks listening…particularly lots of people listening are already extra naturally minded, like your viewers as nicely. What can be a number of the widespread sources and the way can we begin to keep away from it within the residence?
Leah: So the primary place goes to be you’re going to eat it and drink it, that’s the place they nonetheless suppose you’re getting the overwhelming majority of that is. Quite a lot of this may be cookware, so if in case you have Teflon-based cookware or nonstick cookware in any respect, I’d keep away from that. Clearly, I do know you’ve received nice content material about that and I’ve received content material about that, that have been sort of shoving you guys off of nano-based cookware and nonstick cookware. In order that’s one place. You additionally need to search for it in your small kitchen home equipment, as a result of you can find it in issues like air fryers, you’ll discover it in issues like toasters, and it’s not on the meals contact floor, it’s outdoors. And the loopy factor about that’s if it’s on the partitions on the surface, if it will get too scorching, it could actually disperse into that air so it’s nonetheless sort of a problem. So we’re proper now working by these merchandise for air fryers and all types of various issues. I’d simply say name up the corporate, look and double-check to be sure that they’re not including something to those merchandise on the surfaces. Undoubtedly not meals contact, meals contact can be the primary half, however that’s what I search for.
Meals packaging is one other situation, issues that we don’t consider like parchment paper. I discovered it in parchment paper. So there are some parchment papers which are product of silicone and there’s some parchment papers which are product of PFAS. And so they, a few of them typically they’ll let you know, however you bought to be trying to see which of them, and simply to sort of assist out your folks proper now as a result of I do know that you simply’re going to ask me which of them are protected. If You Care, we examined that particular model, it’s the brown wrapper that appears sort of recycled, that one we didn’t discover something in. One other Finnish firm, which is known as Gifbera, after which one other one referred to as Katbite, which I feel is Korean, these are all accessible on Amazon. So If You Care, Gifbera, Katbite, these we examined, and we didn’t discover something, however we did discover it in Reynolds. And we did discover it in Kirkland, so Costco. So these are meals packaging.
However right here’s like, quite a lot of instances if you’re going to get this in your meals packaging, it’s going to be extra of a problem of I went out to eat, or I’m utilizing one thing that’s processed. So the reply is the extra you may prepare dinner from scratch at residence, the extra you’re going to have the ability to eliminate these contaminants with out even understanding about it as a result of quite a lot of instances it has to do with the processing of the meals in some way, and the way these chemical substances, be in polymers or no matter, are entering into every thing. So the extra you may prepare dinner by yourself…once more, I feel that’s most likely one thing that you simply love to listen to, the extra you may prepare dinner utilizing substances that you already know about, the higher off you’re.
One other actually large space is family mud. This isn’t one thing that you’d take into consideration. However you already know, your mud is then analyzed. Your family mud has been analyzed at a lab, not yours particularly, however different folks’s. And it comprises quite a lot of fireplace retardants, phthalates, and PFAS. And that’s coming off of your electrical tools in your home. So your tv most likely has some PFAS within the wiring, possibly has it someplace. And when that plastic will get scorching, quite a lot of these plastics have fireplace retardants and different forms of issues inside them. Now, over time, and I imply, over years, because it will get scorching, they sort of emit into the air, and these particles are extremely magnetized in the direction of mud. In order that they stick with the mud they usually fall, proper?
So how do you get this out of your home? I’d say simply mud, I hate that reply however that’s actually the reply. The extra you mud, you already know, the cleaner you retain your home, the much less seemingly your youngsters are going to be uncovered to this. Now, I can’t cease them from like, you already know, being on carpet in case you’ve gotten previous carpeting with PFAS on it, there’s nothing I can do for that different than simply vacuum a ton, you already know, to get that stuff out of it, it’s going to break down over time and be launched. So vacuum as a lot as you may, these forms of issues. Get an air air purifier, a number of the finest air purifiers are on the market. Although I do know those that we advocate are most likely additionally going to be pulling in PFAS as a result of in the event that they’re pulling within the mud, that’s the place it’s, proper? So that you need to eliminate the mud.
Make-up and private care, this can be a actually troublesome situation. Earlier this yr, they did an investigation not me, however the precise scientists, proper? And they also checked out over 300 standard, principally standard make-up merchandise they usually discovered it overwhelmingly in make-up, give it some thought like this, stays longer, waterproof, you already know what I’m saying? You need your make-up to remain in your face and never go anyplace and the extra we’ve demanded that the extra they put in PFAS. So that you need to sort of search for issues that don’t have any claims about long-lasting, don’t have any claims about being waterproof.
I’d say we discovered about six or seven totally different manufacturers of make-up within the pure world that I didn’t discover, you already know, any natural fluorine on the ranges we’re in search of. However most of even the pure magnificence merchandise, you already know, make-up manufacturers, it’s like…like, I used to be quite a lot of issues, mascara and lip gloss so to talk as a result of I knew that these are like what everybody’s utilizing day-after-day, proper, lip gloss, after which if it’s basis, it’s like next-level dedication, proper? So we simply went within the first move dedication, and in some manufacturers, we discovered it not of their mascara however discovered of their lip gloss or vice versa. So it was actually troublesome to sort of be capable to say this model or that model as a result of we needed to do quite a lot of testing to determine that out. So make-up I’d say, and different than simply, you already know, following me and what I’m testing there’s no different reply to make-up as a result of nobody’s placing that data on the market. Even the scientists who have been it, they’re not likely like granting you the uncooked information to have the ability to work out which one they examined however that’s why we did it.
One other factor is like water, look into your water. It is a actually large deal as a result of when you dwell by a navy base otherwise you dwell by an airport that is actually vital, navy bases and airports have been utilizing firefighting foam to place out grease fires which have PFAS in them and it has seeped into the groundwater under and has contaminated quite a lot of groundwater by these bases. So when you dwell by an airport otherwise you dwell by a navy base, I’d simply exit and get a water air purifier regardless, don’t even wait. As a result of the reply is it’s most likely going to be there and it will not be a kind of PFAS that we are able to acknowledge simply but. You recognize, as a result of that’s the opposite downside with water is, we aren’t as much as testing in any respect. So I’d simply assume, you already know, that that’s how I’m working proper now’s I’m simply assuming, though our water system doesn’t have something in it, it’s like, yeah, you solely examined 16 of them, you already know, there’s like 10,000 on the market, you already know, that’s how I really feel like there’s an enormous gaping gap. So water, work on water.
Clothes is one other large one, however the reply to clothes is we don’t know the reply behind dermal contact. So I’ve quite a lot of advisors who work on this and a few of them are working behind the scenes to creating strategies for testing. A few of them, you already know, they’re working at several types of phases in several types of methods with this chemical. However the one factor that all of them agreed on was we don’t know sufficient about dermal contact. We don’t know if one thing rubs up towards your pores and skin, and it’s a PFAS chemical, will it get in? How will it get in? How a lot we’ll get in? We don’t know.
And since we don’t know, we are able to’t make any statements about that. So the reply is we don’t know. However the place are you going to seek out it? Something that’s stain proof, keep away from issues which are stain proof, completely 100% as a result of that’s the place it’s going to be. It’s in quite a lot of jackets waterproof. We did an investigation on jackets, so when you go to Mamavation…I want I might let you know each single one, but it surely’s very complicated on the market proper now to seek out out what’s PFAS-free, after which what’s just a bit part of PFAS-free. A few of these corporations which are producing clothes, aren’t wanting on the large chemical class. They’re solely this over right here, they usually say, “We’re freed from PFC.,” however they’re forgetting all this different stuff over right here, you already know.
And there’s some certifications like Bluesign, for example. Bluesign licensed is a kind of certifications that may permit sure forms of PFAS chemical substances within the certification and but they sort of make a declare that they’re PFAS-free. So it’s complicated for the buyer and the rationale it’s complicated for the buyer is the scientists have simply sort of gotten on the identical web page about the place this chemical is and what we’re going to contemplate as a part of the chemical. So I don’t need to say it’s all the companies’ faults, I’m saying that they’re doing what’s within the legislation, you already know, after they’re making these statements, however the statements are altering as a result of the science is altering. And because the science is altering typically the businesses are two, three years behind, you already know, the mantra, the way it’s described. And so I’m operating into quite a lot of that with jackets, like play couches, play modular couches, you already know, something like that, that may have like a stain-proofing about it. So simply be searching for that.
Tents and outside tools. Oh, gosh, I can’t…my cousins in Norway are going to snort at me, however there may be one model that we love a lot. And it’s received a J in it, I’ll put it in your notes, your present notes. It’s like a Swedish identify and I can’t pronounce it as a result of I don’t converse Swedish. And it’s received a J in it and I’m gonna simply completely butcher it. However there may be quite a lot of European manufacturers that as a substitute of utilizing PFAS, like on their tents, for example, they use beeswax and paraffin proprietarily put collectively and it does a really comparable or just about the identical factor. These merchandise are extra expensive, you already know, you’re not going to discover a low cost tent that’s PFAS-free with, you already know, extra pure…and I do know paraffin is just not pure, however like, you already know, it’s higher than PFAS. These forms of mixtures which are much less problematic to the atmosphere in a cheap approach but, hopefully the long run will change that.
Then additionally, you already know, it’s in automobile wax and surfboard wax, these forms of issues, and carpet and flooring. We did a bamboo investigation, we checked out a bunch of various bamboo floorings and we solely discovered one which didn’t have detections out of like eight or 9. So I’ve been enthusiastic about this when it comes to what’s round us. You recognize, when you’re going to be doing flooring, for example, you already know, we went after bamboo and we regarded particularly at bamboo as a result of why? I’m like, it’s inexpensive, it doesn’t dent, you may stroll round along with your heels and so I used to be attempting to love, you already know, resolve all the issues after which we did discover one model. However it’s troublesome. It’s actually troublesome to keep away from it, you already know, grandstand overarching, eat out much less, mud extra, and prepare dinner from scratch as a lot as you may. These are the three issues that I’d say would most likely do probably the most bang to your buck and simply look out for locations who…like when you go to mamavation.com, we’ve carried out an investigation on like quite a lot of issues, not every thing but, however on quite a lot of issues. And that’s the…I’m attempting to reply that query, the place is it, how do I keep away from it? And I’m sort of going class by class to determine it out as a result of each class is de facto sophisticated.
Katie: Yeah, that jogs my memory, within the labeling, like, we began…such as you stated, we’re seeing some which are labeled as “freed from” sure ones of those, but it surely jogs my memory of when BPA turned well-known, after which it was like BPA-free. However these all had BPS or BPAF or different ones, that are as problematic, the place we’re now discovering, in some circumstances, worse. And so simply because there are some that label now doesn’t essentially imply, such as you stated, that they’re protected.
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And I do know out of your website, you’ve carried out investigations into all of those several types of issues. And also you gave us a family overview simply now. However I’d like to undergo some others which are particularly most likely relevant to mothers. So I cringe to ask, however the first being, what about, like, athletic put on like yoga pants?
Leah: So yoga pants wasn’t as dangerous, really. In order that was one of many higher ones. We examined about, I feel, 32 or 33, totally different yoga pants, athletic put on as a result of that was a query I had. I’m like yoga pants, you already know what I imply? I put on them actually day-after-day, it’s sort of like my outfit, it must be like a uniform. And I do know each day, I’m sporting yoga pants, some shirt that’s actually comfy, and my hair is in a very messy bun, I received quite a lot of hair, so this all goes up in a bun. So we checked out about 32 of them, we discovered 25% of these yoga pants had detectable fluorine within the crotch. Now, after I first began testing them, I used to be testing the knees, you’re not going to seek out it within the knees. How do I do know? I examined to seek out it. After which I believed to myself, the place would I put it? And so I had the lab repeat a few them with the crotch, bam, that’s the place it was. So about 25%. Now, not one of the natural manufacturers, when you look in…not one of the natural manufacturers that we had examined, yeah, all of them had non-detect at 10 elements per million, so that’s protected.
We did a like a not our favourite, higher, and finest class of these 32. Those that we discovered detectable there within the prime of the what we might not advocate, then there have been ones within the center, which have been artificial supplies so we didn’t discover something in them. So be at liberty to purchase them. After which for these of you who need the natural model that’s in the very best on the very backside. Yeah, so we tried to sort of divide it in three for everybody to have the ability to determine that out as nicely. So this was not as dangerous, however you’ll discover it within the crotch, which might be…it may be comparable in different pants too if you concentrate on it, prefer it’s going to be within the crotch. Now, I don’t know is the reply to that. I’ll sooner or later, possibly begin testing underwear and swimsuits and stuff like that, however when you…to find out about that, I don’t find out about these but as a result of I’ve been requested that query. So I’m simply going to let you know I don’t find out about some fits and underwear but. However interval underwear, I do know.
Katie: Nicely, that’s encouraging that there are these good choices accessible as a result of I used to be not going to be prepared to surrender my yoga pants. However that does result in different athletic put on. So let’s speak about sports activities bras after which, because you talked about it, additionally interval underwear.
Leah: Yeah, so sports activities bras are fairly problematic. We discovered…so you already know your sports activities bra, there’s just like the outer a part of it after which there’s the internal half. So the internal half is that, like, sort of pores and skin coloration mesh that’s subsequent to your bra, which are subsequent to your breast. We discovered detections in 65% of sports activities bras in that mesh space. And after I advised my advisors about this, quite a lot of them they have been pediatricians that have been, you already know, serving to me overview this one particular one, they have been involved and extra of our advisors have been involved as a result of that is the mesh that’s proper up towards your breasts. Now, right here’s the situation I’m considering of as a result of this was my life and nonetheless might be my life. You recognize, you’re a brand new mother, proper, and your child goes down for a nap, and so what do you do? You run off and also you do a exercise or one thing like that as finest as you may and you already know you’ve received like 40 minutes to an hour, proper? So that you’re understanding, understanding, after which sweating up a storm and you bought your sports activities bra on after which, you hear the noise, proper, and also you’re like, “Shoot,” didn’t get the time, so that you didn’t have time for a bathe. So then you definitely run upstairs, you go get the child, and increase, breastfeed. That’s the situation I’m fearful about.
So in case you are a breastfeeding mom, please watch out and take a look at my investigation for the not our favourite, higher, and finest. We discovered them in 65% of those merchandise, it was not every thing. It was arduous due to the high-impact bras, there weren’t as many good high-impact bras, however considered one of them that I did discover that I feel persons are going to be enthusiastic about is Goal. Goal has really been doing quite a lot of work on PFAS and textiles and you could possibly inform as a result of after I examined towards that, they got here out clear. So when you’re an enormous busted girl, which I’m, my women are fairly massive…In case you’re an enormous busted girl you don’t need, like, black eyes whilst you’re understanding, proper, Goal’s a kind of manufacturers. It’s not natural, clearly, it’s filled with artificial polyester and yada, yada, yada, however we didn’t discover detectable PFAS within the sports activities bras there. In order that they’re referred to as All In Movement or one thing like that, in order that was good. And typically I simply hold testing till I discover one thing that I can put on, you already know, and that was a kind of points the place I simply stored testing. That was sports activities bras. In order that’s one you need to look on mamavation.com. In case you go there, we’ve received all the exams listed proper there on all of the manufacturers that we discovered.
Katie: What about interval underwear? That is after I personally don’t have any expertise with as a result of I’m an enormous fan of the menstrual cup as a substitute for the sustainability, which I do know interval underwear are as nicely, however what did you discover when it got here to those?
Leah: It was fairly dangerous really after we regarded into interval underwear, we had…I’m attempting to recollect what number of we examined, it was over 20. I feel we solely discovered six manufacturers with out detectable ranges. Yeah, solely six, and the toughest half the place there are some manufacturers that truly market themselves as PFAS-free. I’m not gonna say which model it’s however it’s your decision to have the ability to determine that out, you’ll go on their web site, and they’ll present you scientific testing on how they’ll show that they’re PFAS-free. However it’s important to have my eyes to know what you’re . You take a look at that scientific examine, proper, that they despatched off to the lab, the detection stage is rather a lot increased than mine. So I check at 10 elements per million. They have been testing at 50, so you already know what I imply, like, I can’t make any statements about that. However I’d say there’s some humorous enterprise occurring in that.
And the issue is…I, you already know, interviewed quite a lot of the CEOs that had the safer interval underwear. And basically what’s occurring is what they stated to me is you’ve gotten lots of people on this business that don’t actually have quite a lot of expertise with textiles. Like, they don’t know rather a lot about what they’re doing. They’re nice entrepreneurs, they’re nice, at quite a lot of different issues, however they don’t actually know rather a lot in regards to the processing of textiles. And when you don’t know, you don’t know what to say, you don’t know what to ask, after which she was additionally telling me that, she’s like, you may get Oeko-Tex cloth, so to talk, and ship it to the producer, after which the producer will likely be like, “Oh, would you like waterproofing on that?” And so they know that when you put that on it destroys every thing, like all of the accreditations and all that stuff, however they provide it anyhow. And so you already know, when you’re somebody who doesn’t perceive the textile business, chances are you’ll fall into that class.
So what I discovered in interval underwear wasn’t ranges that regarded like…there was just a few manufacturers that had ranges that have been actually excessive, proper, I’d be like, “Whoa.” However then there have been different manufacturers that had ranges that have been low. And so if you take a look at that, it seems to be like extra of a contamination situation than it seems to be like an deliberately added situation. However I don’t know what, you already know, the distinction is when it’s proper up by your vagina. I simply don’t know, and no person is aware of. In order that’s why we have been capable of do the classes we have been and I consider it was…it may be seven now as a result of we hold testing. And we hold including to that report, you already know, every time we do discover one thing, and those who ship me interval underwear need me to check it, simply if you wish to try this I can check stuff, simply hold it in its authentic packaging. I simply don’t need you contaminating it. However yeah, we’ve had group members purchase extra interval underwear that they need, they ship it off to me after which we simply go check it within the lab simply to ensure we all know out of all of the manufacturers that we are able to see. That’s not a great one.
Katie: Gotcha. I’ll be certain that we hyperlink to those as nicely as a result of I do know you’ve written about all of those and folks can go search for the precise particulars. So for you guys listening, wellnessmama.fm could have all these hyperlinks. One other related one for mothers, what about ketchup? As a result of I do know for lots of youngsters, this can be a favourite so as to add to quite a lot of stuff. So what about ketchup?
Leah: Ketchup was simply heartbreaking. Ketchup, the overwhelming majority of the ketchups that I examined, all had whole fluorine in it. Now, I needed to clarify to everyone that I did whole fluorine exams on the overwhelming majority of those ketchup manufacturers. I didn’t do natural fluorine, however let me let you know sort of what I’ve been doing. I’ve despatched about 350 issues off to the lab over the past 2 years, quite a lot of testing. So that offers you an concept of how a lot testing I’ve carried out. And I’d say 80% of that testing, we’ve carried out natural fluorine on. And after I first began, I did whole fluorine. So I wasn’t as savvy as I’m now to know in regards to the distinction between the pure fluorine and the natural fluorine, which is artificial, and also you wanted to separate that. And so, you already know, my scientific advisors got here in and helped me with that after which we began, so ketchup is an older one.
However we discovered a ton of whole fluorine in ketchup, besides for 2 manufacturers. We didn’t discover it in Heinz, and that shocked me. So I used to be like, right here’s the common Heinz within the glass bottle, nothing, within the plastic bottle, nothing, within the little ketchup packets, nothing. We didn’t discover it, you already know, in any Heinz product. After which we didn’t discover it in 365 Complete Meals Natural Ketchup. So it made me suppose that that may be white-labeled, possibly white-labeled Heinz ketchup, have you learnt what I’m saying? However then each different ketchup that we examined, we discovered detectable ranges, and quite a lot of them have been actually near 10. So it was like they have been proper there, proper?
So right here’s the reply to that, of all the issues that I’ve despatched off to the lab, they’ve been ready…they usually do whole fluorine on every thing, however then we run one other check and it’s a check for fluoride, proper? And what they do is that they search for fluoride after which they’re capable of do a calculation to deduct the full fluorine quantity from the fluoride quantity, and that’s natural fluorine, in order that they try this calculation for you. I’ve by no means seen, not doable, however I’ve simply by no means seen fluoride, greater than two, possibly three elements per million. You recognize, so quite a lot of manufacturers will need to say, in the event that they need to say it’s whole fluorine, I’ve not discovered that, you already know, fluoride to be an enormous factor and something, you already know, I feel they need to suppose that it’s but it surely’s within the stuff that I’ve examined, we’ve not. I did ship two of these manufacturers as a result of two manufacturers folks have been actually, actually…they actually needed to find out about.
And that was Primal and Annie’s. And I despatched Annie’s and Primal out for natural fluorine testing after we put this up, they usually have been just about the identical quantity. So I feel that we’re discovering quite a lot of indications. That’s the one the place I’ve to say learn it, however perceive the testing isn’t full. And I do plan on updating that specific investigation, including extra manufacturers, and doing the entire shebang, it’s simply most likely not going to be till subsequent yr someday, proper? And I need to give these manufacturers a while to work on it. So I do know quite a lot of them do find out about my testing and whether or not…I don’t know in the event that they’re making any strikes, as a result of they haven’t come to me and stated they’re making any strikes. In order that’s unlucky, however I’ll say in different manufacturers…or different industries, there’s manufacturers making some fairly hefty strikes right here.
Katie: So, to be continued, and I’ll put hyperlinks to the present ones so folks can have these as a place to begin. And I do know that there’s extra to return in different classes as nicely. So folks can keep updated with you to maintain a watch out for that. It additionally makes me curious if it’s doable to get folks examined for these compounds. And I additionally surprise like, is there even a…when you’re going to weigh the danger and advantages, is it even value doing? We don’t know the way to get them out of the physique and we all know it’s good to keep away from them. Like, is it value testing if it’s even doable? Or is it higher simply to know they’re dangerous and keep away from them?
Leah: So I want I’d have carried out that after I didn’t end that query for you. I’ve a check downstairs, there’s a model new check that got here out. I feel it’s referred to as Empower FX. So I’m going to need to double examine on that. However there’s a model new check the place you may prick your finger and ship it to a lab. Now, this can be a large big deal as a result of it’s not costly and it’s accessible to everyone. So let me provide you with some background. So I needed to do a physique burden, you already know, scientific examine. And I had quite a lot of scientists concerned and we sort of talked about it. And what we realized was, it was near not possible to do that as a result of your physique doesn’t launch it. So, you already know, it’s not like with polyphenols and, you already know, you wait every week later and also you simply don’t eat them or put them into your physique, they’ll be much less. That’s not the case of PFAS. So it’s actually arduous to review in your physique, actually, actually troublesome to do these comparisons, so we ended up not doing it.
At that time, we have been wanting right into a lab that was about $1,000 a check. Oh, yeah, loopy. So I’ll let you know my pleasure when I discovered a model who’s doing this for $250. And also you’re doing it at residence. What we have been going to look into was sending folks to a draw lab after which sending it off to a lab in Canada. And prefer it was all of this, you already know, strategic, loopy stuff that we needed to do. However now there’s a firm, and I need to say Empower FX, and we’ll hyperlink that down under. However they partnered with Eurofins and Eurofins is a humongous $6 billion lab world wide. So it’s a very…that’s an incredible partnership. And so Eurofins is the associate on this they usually’re producing these little check kits. So you may check your self, it’s slightly drip of blood, ship it off, and I consider they’re testing for between 16 to 30 totally different PFAS, however the commonest ones that you simply’re going to seek out in water.
Katie: Good to know, I’ll put hyperlinks to that as nicely if it’s in your website, or I’ll get that information from you for people who find themselves…
Leah: It’s not but.
Katie: Okay.
Leah: You’ve received it first.
Katie: How thrilling. And as I anticipated, our time, after all, flew by as a result of we all the time have such enjoyable conversations.
Leah: How has it been 45 minutes? Oh my gosh.
Katie: So we’ll simply need to do extra rounds of this as increasingly investigations come out. However simply on the finish, I like to ask if there’s any parting recommendation you need to give to our listeners at this time, might be associated to this or one thing completely unrelated to all of the mothers listening?
Leah: Oh, you already know, when it comes to these things, I’d say don’t sweat the small stuff, proper? I imply, I’ve been doing toxic-free for seven years now, possibly eight. And that’s one of many issues that I’ve discovered, you already know, I need to know what absolutely the worst issues are and I’ll keep away from these. And all the different issues, I’ll primarily based on my emotional wants at that second, proper? And so, when it comes to like, if you’re enthusiastic about issues, don’t freak out about one thing you utilize as soon as a month, proper? What you need to take a look at are the large dailies, proper, every day exposures. So don’t sweat the small stuff when it comes to, you already know, don’t freak out over some factor that you simply’re going to be consuming, you already know, or ingesting as soon as a month. So go off to your good friend’s home, eat the pizza, and drink, and the cake and, you already know, take pleasure in your self. As a result of the stress that you may placed on folks primarily based on being afraid of all these things, I feel, may be worse on you total than I feel the precise chemical substances themselves and that’s what I’ve discovered over time.
And so defend your house, defend your soul, so to talk, from being too afraid. I feel that there’s a distinction between having a wholesome worry of one thing that’s harmful, you already know what I’m saying, and avoiding that since you’re sensible. And likewise entering into the world of it would being like a disordered considering course of, you already know, the disordered considering strategy of every thing is poisonous is just not a great place so that you can be. I need you to take pleasure in your life. And you already know, observe folks like Katie and I for, you already know, directions on what to do after which simply let it go. You recognize, that’s my recommendation is, you already know, management what you bought within the residence, exit and discover the world and luxuriate in your self, and take a look at to not let your craziness sink into different locations is my finest recommendation.
After which simply, you already know, attempt to keep abreast of this, however you already know, that is a kind of points the place persons are not likely contacting their elected officers about this. And I do know there’s lots of people particularly in like Republican districts and stuff like that, they’re not listening to sufficient from you, as a result of they’d be doing extra in the event that they heard from you. And I actually really feel like for lots of ladies who’re dwelling in Republic, congressional districts and stuff like that, name them, allow them to know you’re involved about this. Allow them to know that you simply care, and also you care about them, have you learnt what I’m saying? In case you’re voting for them, and that is your situation, be sure that they know that that is vital to them. As a result of I used to work for elected officers a few years in the past and I’ll say that when the ladies begin calling up, and after they begin pushing and honking on the doorways, they received their little strollers and stuff, you already know you’re in bother. It’s the senior residents and the mothers and also you don’t need to piss off both of these teams. However you already know, that is simply one thing that your elected officers want to listen to extra from you on as a result of there’s quite a lot of states and after I say rather a lot, I imply quite a lot of states proper now which are contemplating like 200 items of laws on PFAS. They should hear from you.
Katie: Yeah, I’ve stated that so many instances on this podcast that mothers are such a power of nature and that widespread coverage occurs when the typical mother adjustments her thoughts and will get concerned and that’s on so many various ranges. And I’ve seen it on a neighborhood stage. Truly, the place I used to dwell, it was attention-grabbing, on this state, homebirth was technically not authorized for some time, and a bunch of mothers I do know lobbied and received it modified. However I feel it doesn’t need to be…I feel we regularly don’t do it as a result of we predict it must be this big quantity, this big groundswell, it really doesn’t as a result of I additionally used to web page for representatives and it doesn’t take that many calls and letters earlier than they concentrate. So I’d say don’t underestimate…particularly on stuff like this that pertains to our children, don’t underestimate your energy to vary that. And likewise to echo your different recommendation, be careful for what you may but in addition notice the physique is sensible and adaptable and designed to heal and keep away from the worst of the worst, however don’t let it rule your life or grow to be traumatic. And that applies to meals, that applies to what we work together with in our every day lives, and provides your self some grace on the finish of the day too.
Leah: Love you, lady. You’re so nice at summarizing my level.
Katie: Proper again at you, and thanks for the time at this time. It’s all the time, after all, so enjoyable to get to talk with you. Like I stated, we’ll do it once more as increasingly information turns into accessible. However thanks for being right here.
Leah: In fact. It’s my pleasure. Thanks for having me, Katie.
Katie: And thanks, as all the time, to all of you for listening and sharing your most useful sources, your time, your vitality and your consideration with us at this time. We’re each so grateful that you simply did and I hope that you’ll be a part of me once more on the subsequent episode of “The Wellness Mama Podcast.”
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