Building HUGE Equity With 100% Hands-Off Investing

Dave Meyer:
Flipping 12 homes at a time whereas dwelling 2000 miles away. It sounds not possible, however immediately’s visitor is doing it proper now. She’s going to inform us how she received there after beginning with only a single property she purchased for lower than 100 thousand. What’s up everybody? Welcome to the BiggerPockets podcast the place we train you how you can obtain monetary freedom by means of actual property. I’m Dave Meyer, head of actual property investing right here at BiggerPockets. Our visitor on the present immediately is Dominique Gunderson, an investor who focuses on flips in New Orleans however lives a location versatile way of life, touring across the nation in an rv. Dominique was beforehand on the BiggerPockets podcast again in 2022. It was episode 5 87 and at the moment she was about three years into her flipping profession and was already doing 5 – 6 tasks directly. Tremendous spectacular at that time. However immediately we’re going to listen to about how she’s scaled up even additional. She’s doubled that quantity of flips even whereas managing her enterprise from throughout the nation. We’ll additionally speak to her about why she’s added a rental property portfolio along with her already profitable flipping enterprise. This can be a very enjoyable dialog. I believe you’re going to study so much. So let’s deliver on Dominique. Dominique, welcome to the BiggerPockets podcast. Thanks a lot for being right here once more. Admire it.

Dominique Gunderson:
Yeah, thanks a lot for having me again. I’m actually trying ahead to diving into some enjoyable matters immediately.

Dave Meyer:
Yeah, you will have such a cool story and strategy to investing. Are you able to simply give us a bit little bit of background for individuals who haven’t heard your earlier appearances on any of the BiggerPockets podcasts?

Dominique Gunderson:
Yeah, completely. So I received into actual property tremendous younger proper out of highschool. I graduated at 17 and simply knew that this was what I needed to do and so jumped proper in out of highschool, received my actual property license and began studying a few of the fundamentals of simply gross sales and advertising. From there, I jumped into the investing facet and did wholesaling for a bit bit to get began and construct some capital, after which jumped into operating my very own funding firm in 2019. So I’ve been operating that since then within the New Orleans market and I don’t and have by no means lived in that market. So my foremost focus is out of state flipping personal some leases on the market as nicely, however have just about simply been rising in scaling since 2019

Dave Meyer:
Out of state. Flipping is only a time period we don’t hear fairly often, so I’m actually keen to speak to you about that as a result of I do know lots of people who need to get into flipping are serious about doing it passively or in a cheaper market than the place they stay. So what led you to going from what you have been doing, which was wholesaling agent to desirous to be extra lively of an investor, primarily specializing in flips now,

Dominique Gunderson:
I believe for me, going into getting my license and beginning doing the wholesaling, that was at all times a way to an finish for me. That was to simply actually study the sport and construct capital. However even simply from a younger age, being in highschool and getting serious about actual property, I at all times knew that I needed to run my very own firm. I needed to flip homes. I needed to personal rental properties as a substitute of simply being a intermediary, whether or not that be an agent or a wholesaler. So for me that was simply a good way to get began and to study, however the objective of that was at all times to fund my future operation and imaginative and prescient.

Dave Meyer:
So inform us the way you began lengthy distance or out of state flipping, as a result of it nearly feels like an oxypro, not one thing that you may really do.

Dominique Gunderson:
So for me, it truthfully combines the perfect of each worlds. I really like which you could pursue an lively technique the place you can also make plenty of fast money and actually construct your total fairness and wealth, however doing it in a extra passive means the place you don’t should be on the job website daily. In order that’s one thing that I’ve realized over time after doing it and have come to actually love. However truthfully, it began simply nearly out of necessity. I used to be 21 again in 2019 once I first began my very own firm
And I had all my expertise in Los Angeles space, southern California. So it solely made sense that I might simply begin flipping right here the place I had all my contacts, but it surely was so costly and simply felt so out of attain for me being so younger realizing that I must be all right into a deal for minimal three or 400,000 on the low finish. I didn’t have that a lot money saved up, and so it simply felt a bit overwhelming and so it was nearly a necessity for me. I needed to begin trying what market may I afford? What market would this be possible for me? And New Orleans was one of many solely markets that I had actually good trusted contacts in. Not that they have been in actual property, however my dad and his spouse lived in New Orleans, and in order that was simply the one outstate market that I stated, you realize what? Despite the fact that I don’t know anyone within the recreation on the market, I do know somebody. I do know somebody who has in all probability known as a plumber to their home or perhaps is aware of an individual down the road that’s an actual property agent or one thing like that. I had some little little bit of edge on the constructing the staff facet simply from realizing folks within the space.

Dave Meyer:
That’s superior. So after we talked a pair years in the past and once you have been on the present, you have been doing so much like 5 – 6 flips at a time, proper?

Dominique Gunderson:
Sure, appropriate. How did

Dave Meyer:
You pull that off? Is it simply all networking the place you simply have so many GCs and contractors that you are able to do that sort of quantity?

Dominique Gunderson:
So there’s a pair totally different avenues to that. I imply, one is the deal discovering facet, proper? Conserving regular stream of offers coming in. Then it’s additionally what you talked about, the administration facet, having a staff to really execute these offers. So there’s plenty of elements to that. A pair years in the past after we chatted, I used to be doing in all probability 5 – 6 flips at a time. We’re operating 12 flips proper now, and so scaled up much more and one thing actually cool occurs once you begin to scale, which it sounds sort of loopy, but it surely really will get simpler in plenty of methods since you’re on this entire totally different boat of it’s not only a facet hustle or a interest, it’s a full-time enterprise. And so in each space you need to put in full-time effort. And so let’s simply say on the deal discovering facet, you’re going to be making connections with individuals who know that each time they’ve a deal accessible, you’ll purchase it.
You’re at all times on the lookout for offers. It’s important to feed your pipeline simply to maintain the enterprise going. The place when you’re solely doing a pair flips a 12 months, it’s a timing factor. You may make nice networking connections, however when you’re not in that point slot of a pair months, a 12 months the place you’re on the lookout for a brand new deal, you’re going to should say no. And so your contacts aren’t as robust. They’ll’t be since you’re not as dependable. And similar together with your staff members. I’ve a number of crews, they’re at all times working, at all times working simply on my jobs and I can hold them busy. And so that you construct that loyalty and you may create actually robust groups of individuals which can be trusted and might do your jobs time and again and also you begin creating programs and processes. And so in plenty of methods, scaling up could make issues a bit simpler so far as the programs and groups go, however clearly it takes much more administration and there’s much more complications and issues that come up. So it’s a balancing scale

Dave Meyer:
For certain. Yeah, that’s wonderful. Actually, I’m so impressed that you simply stated that turns into simpler. It sounds so tough to me. I need to study extra about your programs, however I believe that there’s in all probability lots of people listening to this proper now who’re actually on this concept of out of state flipping. I’m personally serious about it. If I may determine how to do that in an affordable means, I’d have an interest. So perhaps we are able to really return a bit bit and simply speak about what have been the primary steps you took and perhaps you may simply present some recommendation for individuals who would take into account this technique.

Dominique Gunderson:
Positive. Yeah. I believe absolutely the largest factor, whether or not you’re doing one flip out of state or 10 is your staff, your staff on the bottom since you aren’t going to be there for virtually any of it. You could examine in each different month or one thing, however you need to know in each facet between actual property brokers, contractors, mission managers, lenders, all the pieces must be in place to guarantee that the method is flowing simply as nicely once you’re there or not there. And in order that was a few of the first steps for me is, okay, how can I construct a staff of individuals? Who do I want on my staff and the way can I discover them that I can belief with out me being there on a regular basis? And that’s a lot simpler stated than carried out it feels like. Okay, certain. Simply go begin networking with folks and it’ll occur, which is sort of true, but it surely really is.
Wanting again now from the place I began, it’s such a trial and error factor. You simply should know that stepping into that you simply’re not going to simply discover the proper staff and all the pieces be the identical from day one and also you’ll simply transfer ahead seamlessly and at all times work with the identical folks. It’s simply not going to occur. You at all times should be networking. You at all times should be trying to construct and broaden your staff as a result of folks will perhaps be good for a pair offers after which they’ll fall off or have a private concern come up and so they can’t work with you as constantly anymore. So the networking I believe was one of many massive locations that I began attending any type of networking teams, whether or not they be digital or in person who I may and simply begin assembly different traders, different folks within the area that I may ask for referrals or I may simply meet contractors. I may meet those who I’d have to work with in particular person at a few of these networking teams. So simply enthusiastic about who I wanted and the way I may discover them was positively the largest first place I needed to begin.

Dave Meyer:
And so how did you discover them? As a result of for me, I can perceive and type of wrap my head round how you can community with brokers. We have now instruments in BiggerPockets for that and even community with different traders. I’ve carried out some out of state brewers the place I’ve networked with some contractors, however these have been smaller in scale and I felt that the mission scope was very clear and I knew that this contractors working with had this experience. However how do you even go about networking with GCs in one other metropolis? Have been you going to New Orleans often?

Dominique Gunderson:
Yeah, it’s humorous to say, however I believe it may be easier than you might suppose. It’s clearly simple in your individual market as a result of you may simply meet folks randomly such as you stated. However
I at all times had considerably of a presence in New Orleans. I imply immediately I’m going there not less than as soon as each different month for 5 days to every week simply to sort of examine in and meet folks head to head. So there’s at all times alternatives once you’re there in particular person, however there’s so many on-line teams even which you could be a part of immediately. For me, I imply the Fb teams within the native New Orleans market are actually an enormous factor. There’s plenty of nice investing teams and such as you talked about too, BiggerPockets stuff, there’s at all times totally different teams which you could sort of be a part of and get in to simply get the dialog began with folks. You could not essentially meet the contractor that you simply’re on the lookout for, however you would possibly meet somebody who’s one step away from getting you to introduction. However I imply, I’ve met a few of my contractors tremendous randomly. A few of them have actually simply been working at a job throughout the road from my property, and also you simply go over there and begin speaking to them and ask in the event that they’re on the lookout for extra work, when you get sort of a way of their high quality of labor since they’re on one other job website.
I’ve had contractors actually simply stroll as much as me and introduce themselves to me at meetup teams. It’s been simply random interactions that appear to come back increasingly more often. The extra you open your self up. My staff isn’t closed. I’m not one and carried out set. I’m at all times trying to community with extra folks.

Dave Meyer:
Yeah. Alright, we must take a fast break after which we’ll be again with extra of my dialog with Dominique Gunderson. We’re again speaking with Dominique Gunderson on the BiggerPockets Actual Property podcast. Possibly you may simply inform us Dominique, a bit bit extra about your first deal and the way you pulled that off which may assist me and perhaps another folks extrapolate how you probably did this as soon as after which now the way you’ve type of achieved this wonderful, very spectacular scale of doing it, like 12 of those at a time.

Dominique Gunderson:
Yeah, completely. I wouldn’t say my first deal was excellent by any means. It was removed from it, however lots of people will say it’s your first deal and it’s the perfect one since you received began, you made the errors and now it leads you to go do 100 extra. So my first deal I purchased on the MLS, nothing loopy or fancy in regards to the technique to seek out it paid 51,000 for the home and ended up placing in about, I take into consideration 45,000. We have been all in slightly below 100 thousand for the home and solely bought it for 115,000. So after realtor charges, closing prices, stuff like that. I imply hardly made something, made a bit little bit of revenue however not a lot on the deal. However once more, realized invaluable classes that I can’t put a price ticket on from simply getting began and doing a deal and assembly folks even. I known as and talked to so many various folks simply on the contracting facet simply to present me bids

Speaker 3:
And

Dominique Gunderson:
Simply find out about numbers and the way individuals are projecting scopes of labor on the market. And despite the fact that I didn’t use all of them, that already gave me a bunch of various units of numbers of how you can analyze rehab prices and what issues are going to value. And humorous sufficient, even one of many contractors who gave me a bid on that first home that didn’t do the job I reconnected with later down the road and he did in all probability 30 flips for me thereafter.

Dave Meyer:
Wow.

Dominique Gunderson:
So that you get began someplace, you will have an precise property the place you’re really doing one thing with it and that’s your in to start out making plenty of these connections. You have got one thing you may speak to folks about that you simply’re really engaged on. You have got a property you may ask totally different brokers to come back stroll and what can I record this for? You’re making relationships and similar on the contracting facet. In order that was my first flip once more so removed from excellent, but it surely’s such an ideal place to begin.

Dave Meyer:
That time about having one thing tangible to heart your conversations round is so essential. I’ve stumbled into that as nicely. Simply speaking to a contractor about some theoretical property or do you need to work collectively? I used to be like, yeah, after all I need to work collectively however not having one thing to level to, are you able to do X job? Are you able to do that job by this date? It actually provides a way of urgency and tangibility to a dialog that I believe makes the connection transfer so much quicker. So I believe that’s nice recommendation. That deal appears nice, comparatively low cost, shopping for it for 50, 60,000. Now quick ahead to immediately once you’re doing 12 of those, are you able to inform us a bit bit about what your common deal in this sort of market appears to be like like

Dominique Gunderson:
At this time? I’m sort of shopping for in two totally different buckets. One could be the extra entry stage worth level, which is extra much like that deal I simply described to you my first deal. And that might be something that’s value when it’s carried out 200,000 or much less. And so these are plenty of the offers that I hold for leases and do the burr technique on as a result of they’ve good cashflow numbers at that worth level. Generally I’ll flip them if it has a extremely good unfold. After which the opposite bucket of offers I’m shopping for are those that I’m extra so fixing and flipping, and people are the marginally greater finish ones. A few of them have a 300 Okay ish resale worth, however extra in order that they’re within the 4 to 500 Okay resale worth the place you’re buying it between 202 50 and placing in 80 to 100. So these greater finish ones are extra so what I’m flipping proper now,

Dave Meyer:
What’s your common margin then on these sorts of offers?

Dominique Gunderson:
So the goal is at all times 15% return on funding, so 15% of what I put into the property. Clearly generally you make 10, generally you make 2025, however goal for me is at all times

Dave Meyer:
15. Okay, that’s fairly good. And the way lengthy are these offers taking you?

Dominique Gunderson:
That’s tremendous dependent available on the market proper now. I’ve some that also promote in your common 30 to 45 day timeline, and we’re all into the deal from begin to end in 5 – 6 months. And I’ve some offers proper now that the market’s gradual and it’s simply taking a number of months available on the market simply to get a suggestion

Dave Meyer:
Actually.

Dominique Gunderson:
And so a few of these offers are taking extra like eight to 9 months begin to end to be carried out and bought.

Dave Meyer:
And has that modified your strategy, I assume when you’re persevering with to do them that they’re nonetheless worthwhile sufficient to the purpose the place you’re taking up the identical quantity of offers as you have been perhaps a 12 months or two in the past, or are you attempting to scale up extra?

Dominique Gunderson:
I like this vary. It’s a adequate scale to the place you’re doing plenty of quantity. You’re capable of hold your groups busy and hold folks loyal to you. Nevertheless it’s not so massive that I’m attempting to do 100 offers a 12 months and it’s simply tremendous unmanageable and I’ve to make a bunch of partnerships and have W2 staff and stuff like that. So my objective isn’t to essentially get that massive, however proper round this vary of getting 12 to fifteen tasks at a time, totally on the repair and flip facet and sort of retaining the perfect ones for long-term rental properties.

Dave Meyer:
Superior. Wow, and that’s unimaginable. Congratulations on all of the progress you’ve made in simply a few years. I’m really curious although, you stated that you simply’re holding some rental properties. What led to that shift?

Dominique Gunderson:
I believe that’s one thing that’s at all times been a objective of mine from the start as nicely, and it was extra a capital and expertise factor. The extra offers that you simply’re doing and also you don’t essentially have to flip so many per 12 months with a view to simply pay your payments and stay off of the revenue, you may sort of begin enthusiastic about holding a few of the higher ones for long term leases. And so purchase properties and let the tenant pay down your mortgage for 30 years, and I’m nonetheless fairly younger, so for me that’s an honest technique to be mid fifties to 60 and have a bunch of properties that at the moment are paid off and that may be one thing that I retire on.

Dave Meyer:
How are you selecting which of them you’re flipping versus holding onto when you’re, it feels like going by means of considerably of an identical course of, not less than on the entrance finish of the deal.

Dominique Gunderson:
I just about will maintain any deal that does pencil as a rental. So in my market there’s plenty of offers that pencil as flips as a result of you might not have fairly sufficient margin within the deal to tug out all your capital and make it an ideal burr,
However you continue to have a very nice revenue margin for a repair and flip alternative. Or it may be in that barely greater finish worth level that I discussed earlier than the place even when it was an ideal burr, you may pull all of your money out, it simply wouldn’t lease for sufficient to cashflow and make any constructive money stream. So for me, any property that’s in a worth level the place I can realistically pull out nearly all of my money or all of my money with a money out refinance and it’s nonetheless money flows not less than a pair hundred {dollars} a month, I’ll at all times hold it as a rental.

Dave Meyer:
And the way are you type of managing the capital facet of that then? Is it simply making it extra difficult for you by way of getting totally different loans and managing your inflows and outflows of money? As a result of I might think about that it’s simply including a complete layer of complexity in one other type of enterprise line.

Dominique Gunderson:
Positively. It’s totally different and has totally different elements for certain. On the repair and flip facet and even the bur facet a bit bit upfront, once I’m shopping for the properties for and renovating with money, I just about completely use non-public cash. So these have simply been those who I’ve related with through the years which have money and need to make investments passively. They act similar to a financial institution, similar to a standard lender, however they’re simply an non-public particular person. So I’ll use these forms of loans to buy the properties and renovate them. Then if it’s going to develop into a rental and maintain it long-term, we put long-term financing with a 30 12 months mortgage, that might be the money out refinance. As soon as the property is totally stabilized and rented out, we’ll put that long-term financing on the property and use the cash that you simply get from the money out refinance to repay the non-public lender, in order that means it’s simply me left on the mortgage and also you’re dealing extra with only a institutionalized financial institution or lender that you simply’re making the mortgage funds to each month for a 30 12 months mortgage.

Dave Meyer:
Dominique, I need to ask you extra about how you’ll be able to scale this enterprise with an even bigger staff and extra programs in place. However first we have to take one other fast break. Thanks for sticking with us. Right here’s extra of me and Dominique speaking about scaling an out-of-state repair and flip enterprise. I need to get again to a few of the stuff that you simply talked about earlier with attaining this stage of scale. You clearly talked about programs, you talked about groups, however may you inform us a bit bit in regards to the order of operations as a result of I’m curious, you may’t do all the pieces directly. What are a few of the first steps once you stated I need to go from 5 – 6 offers at a time to 12 that you simply’re doing now, who’re the folks you introduced on and what programs, what software program, what different instruments did you have to deliver on with a view to ramp up every subsequent deal?

Dominique Gunderson:
I’ll warn you with this query, I’m a quite simple particular person. I’m not one which has all the flowery softwares and programs put collectively and constructed out all these totally different apps and stuff that we’re utilizing. I’m fairly easy. I hold plenty of issues on spreadsheets and simply easy simple instruments that anyone can construct and do. However from an operation standpoint, what it appears to be like like, and this can be a massive thoughts shift that I needed to make from going from 5 to 6 to 10 to 12, is you need to construct out your groups. So once you’re doing perhaps like 5 at a time, it’s really in all probability extra useful to seek out one nice staff, one nice set of all the pieces, and simply feed them as a lot enterprise as you may. Maintain them loyal. You possibly can in all probability have a contractor. The tasks are going to be at totally different levels that may deal with that a lot quantity. Identical with the actual property agent, similar with the lenders, all the pieces. You possibly can in all probability discover one nice staff and actually hold them loyal and hone in on them,
However once you scale up, you simply can’t. It turns into means an excessive amount of and too overwhelming for only one nice set of individuals. So you actually should shift to that mindset of like, okay, my staff is constructed, all the pieces’s closed to what we have been speaking earlier the place you’re at all times trying to construct new groups, you’re at all times trying to enhance, who else can I begin working with and the way can I make my groups higher? You have got a number of open slots for each place, and so there’s simply extra alternative to there refine and actually work with the perfect of the perfect. So for me, what that appears like is I’ve a few GCs who run all my tasks, so I don’t work instantly with any subs, I simply work with a few GCs who’re managing all the pieces on the bottom, and that simply retains issues much more streamlined too.
Even simply on the accounting and invoicing facet, I’m simply getting one to 3 payments all through the tasks, just about bigger chunks. They’re retaining observe of receipts and shopping for supplies and issues like that. So it simply retains issues actually streamlined. I simply have one level of contact that I can keep up a correspondence with each day or each different day to get updates on the roles. And every of these GCs are managing three to 5 totally different tasks on a regular basis. After which I’ve a mission supervisor position at occasions. I’ve had two folks on this position, however I believe even with a bigger scale, you may in all probability simply hold one particular person on this position, however that is any individual who’s sort of like a 3rd get together to all the different roles. They’re not simply your contractor, simply your agent. They’re not specialised in a single factor, they’re simply doing any and all duties which may come up on a day-to-day foundation. So it may be making deliveries, it may be placing up a lockbox, it may be turning on utilities, like something. It might be simply I’m sending you to the property to get me replace photographs and movies in order that I can hold a tab on what’s occurring or clear up if it’s a vacant home that’s been listed a pair weeks, like sweep the flooring and stuff like that. So it might be something.

Dave Meyer:
Does that particular person work completely for you?

Dominique Gunderson:
No, I’ve had a couple of totally different folks on this position and it’s normally been sort of part-time.

Dave Meyer:
So

Dominique Gunderson:
I’ve usually labored with folks which can be inside the actual property area doing one thing else throughout the area, and so they’re simply on the lookout for some facet part-time work.

Dave Meyer:
So I assume that position appears tremendous essential to me since you at all times have a contractor who they’re in your staff, however additionally they, they received’t run their very own enterprise. And so I really feel prefer it’s sort of important to have type of a impartial get together in there who works for you and might report again on the actual state of issues. And never that individuals are being dishonest, but it surely’s useful to have somebody who’s each deal by means of your perspective, not simply listening to it filtered by means of the lens of an agent or a contractor who’re in all probability attempting to do the correct factor, however simply have their very own perspective and biases.

Dominique Gunderson:
Completely. And yeah, simply having extra eyes on issues is at all times useful as a result of folks see various things and it’s similar to a checks and stability system for retaining tabs on issues. Such as you stated, I can’t let you know what number of occasions we’ve carried out a last walkthrough with the contractor, the mission’s carried out, it’s prepared for photographs, after which I ship my mission supervisor by means of and I get 10 extra photos of touchup issues that must be carried out.

Dave Meyer:
Proper. Yeah.

Dominique Gunderson:
So simply having the additional set of eyes is tremendous, tremendous essential.

Dave Meyer:
So how has this modified your position in your individual enterprise?

Dominique Gunderson:
Yeah, completely. I believe it’s in plenty of methods doing this out of state will do that to you, however as you scale up, it’ll additionally do that to you. It’s important to drive your self to be extra arms off and to delegate. Even when I used to be on the bottom, I don’t suppose I might spend my time doing the mission supervisor position, for instance. These are all issues I may simply do if I used to be on the bottom, but it surely’s not the perfect use of my time. And so whether or not I’m on the bottom or not, it’s an ideal position to delegate. And similar with common contractors. I may, if I used to be on the bottom, run my very own tasks and get monetary savings, however even when I used to be, I don’t suppose that might be the perfect use of my time as a result of I’ve to do all these different issues to maintain the operation rising and scaling.
So it actually helps you place into perspective simply being out of state what issues are actually essential to delegate and what issues are actually essential so that you can do. So for me, the acquisitions, that’s in all probability crucial, tremendous essential in any repair and flip operation the place you’re making your cash or when you make a mistake, it’s in all probability made there as soon as you acquire the do for a sure worth, when you have been incorrect about something, you may’t repair it. I spend plenty of my time overseeing the acquisition facet of issues and ensuring that we’re not overlooking something on the rehab scope projections, a RV projections, and finally simply making the ultimate selections on what we’re shopping for. And I spend plenty of time on the capital elevating half as nicely, making these connections with people who’re going to lend me funds. I at all times have funds accessible to be shopping for increasingly more homes. These are two issues that I might say are actually essential for me to make that connection for folks to know me and my face and my title to proceed sending me offers and proceed giving me capital.

Dave Meyer:
And do you prefer it? It sounds simply such an enormous shift. You’ve needed to type of nearly reinvent your individual enterprise and also you’re doing a lot totally different stuff. At the least in my profession, I’ve discovered occasions the place that occurs. I simply do it out of necessity and then you definitely sort of come again and determine like, oh, I really needs to be doing one thing. I take pleasure in extra. Do you are feeling such as you’re in a spot with your enterprise that’s sustainable and that you simply’re having fun with?

Dominique Gunderson:
It’s such an ideal query. And I toy with this so much too as a result of on one hand I really like that I could be totally distant and operating this enterprise. That’s the best reward to have the ability to have constructed one thing that I can journey, I can do no matter I need to do on a regular basis, be my very own boss at this age, what a present to have been in a position to do this. And so I really like that facet of it. However on the similar time, once I do get to spend time in New Orleans and I’m going to the bottom and I’m current, I’m like, wow, that is so cool to be right here.

Dave Meyer:
Yeah, it’s enjoyable

Dominique Gunderson:
To stroll my very own jobs and to see what’s occurring. You actually really feel such as you’re really part of it as a substitute of simply variety operating this distant factor from someplace else and never hands-on seeing it. However finally, I believe for me, it makes my enterprise higher, I believe for me to not be there, to be

Dave Meyer:
Sincere. Fascinating. Yeah,

Dominique Gunderson:
It does. The half that has pressured me to delegate and to deliver on actually robust staff members which can be nice in every particular person position, I believe has made my enterprise higher as a substitute of me attempting to do issues that I’m finally not finest at after which simply be sort of mediocre throughout the board.

Dave Meyer:
I resonate a lot with what you stated. I perceive the sensation of it making you higher. After I moved overseas, I had type of the identical expertise, simply this forcing perform the place you acknowledge what you’re good at, you’re pressured to develop into extra environment friendly, it does make you higher. However having simply moved again to the us, I really like being at properties. I’m so joyful having the ability to go take a look at my offers and go even offers. I’m not essentially going to purchase, simply going to open homes or being with different investor associates who’re doing offers. It’s enjoyable to be part of it. So Dominique, in two years, you’ve made unimaginable progress. Once more, congratulations. What’s subsequent for you? You’ve scaled up, you’ve doubled your quantity. Are you simply going to maintain going or what’s subsequent?

Dominique Gunderson:
For the foreseeable future, I see myself actually attempting to stack up and construct extra rental properties and simply hold the flipping operation decently secure so far as the present quantity that we’re doing. And hopefully simply persevering with to construct relationships to getting higher, extra constant deal stream, persevering with to guarantee that we’re on high of the renovations and we’re refining, making higher design selections in order that we promote quicker and the way can we reduce our rental budgets again. So effectivity is the general objective, I believe proper now.

Dave Meyer:
Nicely, that’s superior. Congratulations on scaling and we’d like to have you ever again in a 12 months or two or no matter simply to listen to what you’re as much as. That is such a cool, distinctive a part of actual property investing that we don’t hear about fairly often, however you’re doing it so nicely. So thanks a lot for coming and sharing your insights and your story with us, Dominique.

Dominique Gunderson:
Yeah, completely. Thanks a lot for having me,

Dave Meyer:
And thanks all a lot for becoming a member of us right here on the BiggerPockets Podcast. We’ll see you once more quickly.